Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

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Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby unitled » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:47 am

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/n ... ot-people/

So the card that everyone has been waiting for in the Mumbad cycle finally drops: Political Operative!

We've got a new ID and a cycle of assets that have an effect at the start of your turn if they don't have ice defending them. Also, what looks like a strong Weyland card? Surely some mistake?

Has anyone had a chance to run the new cards? Do we think Political Operative will shore up Criminals (or runners in general) against glacier? Does a Nero build have to include Au Revoir?
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby MouseChan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:59 am

N7 certainly does not need Au Revoir. His strength comes from, no sentry will hit you ever. Where most crims run 3 faerie for that privilege. Okay unlike fae he doesn't break the thing, but it means you can aggressively facecheck them unrezzed archers/ichis/assassins/guard? and the worst it's going to do is cause you to jack out.
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Postby GuyCliquil » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:32 am

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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby MouseChan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:36 am

Pol Op means corps have to trash jackson when you run HQ now if Jacko is rezzed and agendas in the bin. Else

Run HQ, get in.

Click: Install Pol Op.

Paid Window: Trash Pol Op and Jackson
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby unitled » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:41 am

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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby Chimpster » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:37 pm

Definitely considering po-op for my Kate deck. Probably just a one of at this stage but will be a damn useful one.

Really interested by the Jinteki cards this pack, especially political dealings. Surprised that more people aren't making more of a fuss about it, especially as Jins has a decent number of 3/2's. Have a clones are not people down at the same time and you've got a recipe for fast advancing 3 pointers, all in faction. A little bit combo wombo but definitely some nice options for them this pack.
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby mendax » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:42 pm

The combination of Bioethics and MCH being 1 influence makes IG even more nuts.
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby unitled » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:23 am

"If all your ice is positional, none of your ice is positional" - Anon.
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby Nemamiah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:51 am

There are a couple of different flavours of IG deck doing the rounds right now. Their biggest problem is probably that one of their worst match-ups is with Whizzard, and he's still the strongest runner deck after DemoDog.
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby GuyCliquil » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:38 am

How does that matchup playout? I've not been able to play much recently, and when I do I'm not playing either IG or Whizzard, but in my head I feel like Whizzard has no way to expose, and runs rather close to the "insta death". Do the 3 recurring credits really help trash all that the runner wants to trash on IG's side of the board?

If possible could you elaborate? Just curious - I'm not in "Internet argument" mode here! :lol:
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby mendax » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:55 am

I've been struggling much more vs Levy Noise than anything else, as running him out of imps is not so easy. Having said that, I'm something like 15 - 0 with this IG deck so far, so it's not been too bad.

Genetics pavillion is basically the final kill piece, to get to the situation where you're doing a passive 3 net damage and they can only draw 2.
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Postby Nemamiah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:17 pm

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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby GuyCliquil » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:02 pm

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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby Nemamiah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:25 pm

The current flavour of the month uses Bioethics to basically lock the runner out; you're taking three net damage every turn, get pinged by the occasional EMP, can't trash anything without many credits and taking even more net damage, and then you pretty much give up on the game, Netrunner and life in general.

The more traditional IG build spams Mushin to stick out triple advanced cards, then forces the runner to guess which ones are Ronin and which ones are Cerebral Overwriters. It is better against Whizzard, but it's much more swingy because if the runner guesses right then you just lose.
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Re: Clones Are Not People: Democracy and Dogma Is Now Available

Postby Nemamiah » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:02 am

Yeah, those are all valid questions and to be honest I don't know the answer to all of them (nor am I really an authority on this sort of thing).

I think that no matter how good it gets, Industrial Genomics will always be underrepresented at tournaments because it creates time pressure in the rounds, and certain people don't consider it to be fun (either to play or for opponents). Having said that, if it's strong it's bound to show up to some extent, and if it's good enough it will end towards the top of swiss pairings.

If they're playing the Bioethics lock, the key is to be able to take it apart cheaply and before the jaws really clamp around you. So yeah, run archives, find and get rid of the museums, hostile infrastructures and bioethics committees as quickly as possible, those are good lines of play. There are actually meta cards in every faction (Whizzard, Imp, Archives Interface, Desperado + Security Testing, Paricia, even Astrolabe to a lesser extent), so I don't think it should necessarily dictate that you have to play any one thing.

As far as actually winning goes, just be patient and keep track of where the agendas probably are. There are only eight, but they're never going to try scoring them (except for the occasional Chronos Protocol). Keep probing centrals, and look for times when the Corp is low in credits as a time to really hunt out Future Perfects (this will usually be early in the game).
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